tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post1558814295009898049..comments2023-11-05T10:06:05.380+00:00Comments on Clairwil: PC Gone Mad!Clairwilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10503239355248016287noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-55201110695525755772009-04-11T00:00:00.000+01:002009-04-11T00:00:00.000+01:00davidokeefeimagine the furore if it was a proteste...davidokeefe<BR/>imagine the furore if it was a protester who had assualted, pushed etc one of the police, who then died!<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't know where Mat gets his information from (only joking - he gets it from the corporately-owned news media) but the protests are about the lack of democratic involvement, lack of proper accountability and lack of transparency in the decision-making processes that affects all our lives, and that of the life of our communities.<BR/><BR/>As clairwill so succinctly puts it, its about the lack of any alternative to state-corporate capitalism - or in other words, lack of democracy.<BR/>Here's the march organisers' website -<BR/><A HREF="http://www.putpeoplefirst.org.uk/" REL="nofollow">Put People First</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>Heres the always excellent Craig Murray who was at the demo regarding police tactics and Ian Tomlinson -<BR/><A HREF="http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/04/lies_and_innuen.html" REL="nofollow">Lies and Innuendo in the Ian Tomlinson Case</A><BR/>08 Apr 2008<BR/><BR/>all the best!joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-8973903421484633862009-04-10T20:39:00.000+01:002009-04-10T20:39:00.000+01:00David,I love the one a bit wearing a suit, especia...David,<BR/>I love the one a bit wearing a suit, especially as the police had advised everyone to dress down! <BR/><BR/>As you say the deserve our pity more than anything else. More so because life has a habit of overturning one's preconceptions in rotten ways.Clairwilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503239355248016287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-80062653139201481782009-04-10T17:19:00.000+01:002009-04-10T17:19:00.000+01:00When an individual is assualted and then dies shor...When an individual is assualted and then dies shortly afterwards (shortly can mean up to a month in some cases) then the authorities usually investigate the case as murder. <BR/><BR/>I would like to be a little bit more charitable to the defenders of Pc Push so here goes:<BR/><BR/>In their mind the police can do no wrong; the left are evil and Mr Tomlinson put himself at risk and its his fault. Any evidence that proved the police were guilty they ignore as it goes against their world view; unable to ignore the wrongdoing of the police they switch to blaming the left and Mr Tomlinson for being in the wrong place at the wrong time/being drunk/being poor/ not wearing a suit (I kid you not on the last point).<BR/><BR/>Mock then all you like, but they should be pitied for being unable to view the world from nothing, but their own blinkered worldview. Evidence be damnedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-6468671048037541882009-04-10T11:07:00.000+01:002009-04-10T11:07:00.000+01:00Ill Man,I suspect the heart attack would have happ...Ill Man,<BR/>I suspect the heart attack would have happened anyway, PC Push and pals might just have brought it on a few hours. Then again I'm not medically qualified so who knows.<BR/><BR/>Matt,<BR/>It's not so much protesting against capitalism as the lack of an alternative being mooted.Clairwilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503239355248016287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-40764015767647778072009-04-10T01:25:00.000+01:002009-04-10T01:25:00.000+01:00I'm all for protesting against elbows, the evil bo...I'm all for protesting against elbows, the evil bony bastards.......iLL Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08107892879700381858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-58898319386158637292009-04-10T01:15:00.000+01:002009-04-10T01:15:00.000+01:00Agreed with all that has been said by the Clairwil...Agreed with all that has been said by the Clairwill here. That said, the seperate point of the concept of protesting against 'Capitalism' does ever so totally make me go 'WHAT THE FUCK?'....Are we going to gather in our thousands and start protesting against 'growing old' and elbows?<BR/><BR/>1:13 AMOblonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04442129963134475850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-12078791750390962072009-04-10T01:13:00.000+01:002009-04-10T01:13:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Oblonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04442129963134475850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18009508.post-18127984965310676742009-04-10T00:45:00.000+01:002009-04-10T00:45:00.000+01:00The attack seems pretty random. The guy looked a ...The attack seems pretty random. The guy looked a bit scruffy, but seemed not to be doing anything other than walking about with his hands in his pockets. His hunched shoulders and vulnerable body language should tell even the most rabid officer that he wasn't a target. You could argue that if that's all it took to induce a heart attack, then it could have happened any time, but that misses the point. To get to the core of it, he was attacked with a baton and floored, whilst posing absolutely no threat to anyone. Is that all it takes to get a thumping off the Met? <BR/><BR/>He wasn't carrying a chair leg by any chance? "~iLL Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08107892879700381858noreply@blogger.com